I picked up both those shirts at the Allentown KISS Expo last weekend. The 2nd one(KISS crest) is a nice shirt, but if you get it they run a little small..I normally have no problem when I get KISS t's in XL..Well after I washed this one it fits ok, but doesn't fit loosely as I like, so I gave it to my Mom as she loved the design. If I come across it again I'll have to try an XXL.